{"id":24099,"date":"2024-10-06T20:58:36","date_gmt":"2024-10-07T03:58:36","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/?p=24099"},"modified":"2024-10-06T21:10:58","modified_gmt":"2024-10-07T04:10:58","slug":"half-frame-you-dont-know-the-half-of-it","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/?p=24099","title":{"rendered":"Half frame &#8211; you don&#8217;t know the half of it."},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>One of the common complaints you hear about half frame and recently about the new Pentax 17 is that because the image area on the film is smaller than the nominal 36mm image width of most 35mm film cameras the image quality is going to be worse. \u201cHalf frame is too grainy\u201d And yes using the same film and an equally good lens you will potentially get an image that can be enlarged further with a camera covering the full 36mm width.&nbsp; However if the intended use of the images&nbsp; is to utilize them on a digital platform or enlarged them up to about 8&#215;10 your not going to get to see much if any difference.&nbsp; Of course if you are the sort of person who hears complaints like this and thinks well hold my beer while I reach into the back of my fridge for some Adox color implosion, have I got some pictures for you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-medium is-style-default\"><span class=\"frame-outer  wp-image-24103\"><span><span><span><span><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"216\" height=\"300\" src=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/IMGP0112-216x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-24103\" srcset=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/IMGP0112-216x300.jpg 216w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/IMGP0112-108x150.jpg 108w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/IMGP0112.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 216px) 100vw, 216px\" \/><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><span class=\"frame-outer  wp-image-24100\"><span><span><span><span><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"415\" height=\"571\" src=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Pentax17_ADOX_2024_027b.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-24100\" srcset=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Pentax17_ADOX_2024_027b.jpg 1200w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Pentax17_ADOX_2024_027b-218x300.jpg 218w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Pentax17_ADOX_2024_027b-744x1024.jpg 744w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Pentax17_ADOX_2024_027b-109x150.jpg 109w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Pentax17_ADOX_2024_027b-768x1057.jpg 768w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Pentax17_ADOX_2024_027b-1116x1536.jpg 1116w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><span class=\"frame-outer  wp-image-24104\"><span><span><span><span><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"415\" height=\"571\" src=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Pentax17_ADOX_2024_027a.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-24104\" srcset=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Pentax17_ADOX_2024_027a.jpg 1200w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Pentax17_ADOX_2024_027a-218x300.jpg 218w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Pentax17_ADOX_2024_027a-745x1024.jpg 745w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Pentax17_ADOX_2024_027a-109x150.jpg 109w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Pentax17_ADOX_2024_027a-768x1056.jpg 768w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Pentax17_ADOX_2024_027a-1117x1536.jpg 1117w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>I think the subject matter suites the film giving a pictorial look to them.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><span class=\"frame-outer  wp-image-24106\"><span><span><span><span><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"415\" height=\"581\" src=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/GrainEX.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-24106\" srcset=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/GrainEX.jpg 1540w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/GrainEX-214x300.jpg 214w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/GrainEX-732x1024.jpg 732w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/GrainEX-107x150.jpg 107w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/GrainEX-768x1075.jpg 768w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/GrainEX-1098x1536.jpg 1098w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/GrainEX-1464x2048.jpg 1464w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1540px) 100vw, 1540px\" \/><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>On the flip side shooting a fine grain film like Fuji Across II in the Pentax 17 yields some fantastically detailed images that can be printed quite large.&nbsp; And honestly who doesn\u2019t like a little film grain anyway.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><span class=\"frame-outer  wp-image-24101\"><span><span><span><span><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"415\" height=\"185\" src=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Film-vs-Print_sm.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-24101\" srcset=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Film-vs-Print_sm.jpg 2400w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Film-vs-Print_sm-300x134.jpg 300w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Film-vs-Print_sm-1024x457.jpg 1024w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Film-vs-Print_sm-150x67.jpg 150w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Film-vs-Print_sm-768x342.jpg 768w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Film-vs-Print_sm-1536x685.jpg 1536w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Film-vs-Print_sm-2048x913.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2400px) 100vw, 2400px\" \/><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Left &#8211; detail scanned from negative at 3200DPI with Epson V700  Right &#8211; Darkroom 8&#215;10 print scanned at 1200 DPI with V700 and downsized to 600 DPI <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The side be side comparison above was an interesting test.  I was able to get a more detailed image into the computer from a darkroom print I made on Ilford Multigrade paper than directly off the negative.  Although I could have increased the resolution of the scan 3200 seems to be the limit any higher and you just get a bigger file but not with more detail.  The long and the short of it is there is more information in the Pentax 17 negative than I can get out of it with my scanner.  While not an optimum set up I also had a go at using  my digital camera to import the image.  I think there is the potential with a little more care  to get an image to rival the print this way.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><span class=\"frame-outer  wp-image-24105\"><span><span><span><span><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"415\" height=\"519\" src=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/IMGP0093pos.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-24105\" srcset=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/IMGP0093pos.jpg 1200w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/IMGP0093pos-240x300.jpg 240w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/IMGP0093pos-819x1024.jpg 819w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/IMGP0093pos-120x150.jpg 120w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/IMGP0093pos-768x960.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>I didn&#8217;t maximize the amount the negative covered in the digital capture, In fact it took up only about half the frame \ud83d\ude42 <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><span class=\"frame-outer  wp-image-24108\"><span><span><span><span><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"415\" height=\"587\" src=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Negative_size.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-24108\" srcset=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Negative_size.jpg 556w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Negative_size-212x300.jpg 212w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Negative_size-106x150.jpg 106w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 556px) 100vw, 556px\" \/><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">This image represents the difference between the negative and enlarging it about 10X to an 8&#215;10 inch print.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>One of the common complaints you hear about half frame and recently about the new Pentax 17 is that because the image area on the film is smaller than the nominal 36mm image width of most 35mm film cameras the image quality is going to be worse. \u201cHalf frame is too grainy\u201d And yes using [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-24099","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/24099"}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=24099"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/24099\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":24110,"href":"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/24099\/revisions\/24110"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=24099"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=24099"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=24099"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}