{"id":14730,"date":"2015-03-22T09:21:54","date_gmt":"2015-03-22T16:21:54","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/?p=14730"},"modified":"2015-03-22T11:51:49","modified_gmt":"2015-03-22T18:51:49","slug":"pentax-full-frame-and-aps-c-lenses","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/?p=14730","title":{"rendered":"Pentax Full Frame and APS-c Lenses"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span class=\"frame-outer  alignnone size-full wp-image-14731\"><span><span><span><span><a href=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/pentax_ff_prototype.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-14731\" alt=\"pentax_ff_prototype\" src=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/pentax_ff_prototype.jpg\" width=\"415\" height=\"350\" srcset=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/pentax_ff_prototype.jpg 1512w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/pentax_ff_prototype-150x126.jpg 150w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/pentax_ff_prototype-300x252.jpg 300w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/pentax_ff_prototype-1024x863.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1512px) 100vw, 1512px\" \/><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>With Pentax announcing that they will be releasing their DSLR with the same size sensor as 35mm film (know now as &#8216;Full Frame&#8217;) I wanted to try a test with some lenses designed for a\u00a0APS-c digital image circle. Pentax refers to these as &#8216;DA&#8217; lenses.\u00a0 There are some lenses that are designed for use with either format these lenses are designated as &#8216;DFA&#8217;, I&#8217;m not interested in these for this purpose, as I know they will work as would older lenses from film cameras.\u00a0 So back to the DA lenses.\u00a0\u00a0 It seems that the only lenses that can be considered to work with the larger format will be prime lenses (single focal length).\u00a0 The zoom lenses designed for APS-c cause heavy\u00a0vignetting and will likely need to be used in a crop mode rather than covering the entire full frame sensor.<br \/>\n<span class=\"frame-outer  alignnone size-full wp-image-14855\"><span><span><span><span><a href=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_DALenses-3838.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-14855\" alt=\"PentaxMZ6_DALenses-3838\" src=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_DALenses-3838.jpg\" width=\"415\" height=\"415\" srcset=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_DALenses-3838.jpg 1000w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_DALenses-3838-150x150.jpg 150w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_DALenses-3838-300x300.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong><em>Pentax SMC-DA* 50-135mm f\/2.8 ED [IF] SDM\u00a0,\u00a0 Pentax\u00a0SMC DA 50mm f\/1.8, \u00a0and the SMC DA 35mm f\/2.8 Limited macro<\/em><\/strong><br \/>\nAn example of\u00a0the extreme vignetting\u00a0is this image taken with the DA*50-135 set at 50mm and f2.8<br \/>\n<span class=\"frame-outer  alignnone size-full wp-image-14732\"><span><span><span><span><a href=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_015.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-14732\" alt=\"PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_015\" src=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_015.jpg\" width=\"415\" height=\"626\" srcset=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_015.jpg 663w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_015-99x150.jpg 99w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_015-198x300.jpg 198w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 663px) 100vw, 663px\" \/><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>You can see that it doesn&#8217;t come close to covering &#8216;Full Frame&#8217; with severe vignetting.\u00a0 The situation is better at 135 stopped down to f4 but the vignetting is still heavy in the corners.<br \/>\n<span class=\"frame-outer  alignnone size-full wp-image-14733\"><span><span><span><span><a href=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_014.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-14733\" alt=\"PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_014\" src=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_014.jpg\" width=\"415\" height=\"626\" srcset=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_014.jpg 663w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_014-99x150.jpg 99w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_014-198x300.jpg 198w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 663px) 100vw, 663px\" \/><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>So moving on to the prime lenses where there is a much better chance of them covering the full image circle of the 35mm frame.\u00a0 I should probably mention the fact that I used what I knew would be some bad film.\u00a0 It was some very out of date Kodak 400 but because my primary objective was to test the lenses for their coverage I choose to use it.<\/p>\n<p>First up is the DA 50 1.8 I took only 2 shots with it the first one at f4 and the second at f1.8 and it clearly covered the full 35mm frame with little to no vignetting in fact it seems perfectly suited to Full Frame.<\/p>\n\n\t\t<style type=\"text\/css\">\n\t\t\t#gallery-1 {\n\t\t\t\tmargin: auto;\n\t\t\t}\n\t\t\t#gallery-1 .gallery-item {\n\t\t\t\tfloat: left;\n\t\t\t\tmargin-top: 10px;\n\t\t\t\ttext-align: center;\n\t\t\t\twidth: 50%;\n\t\t\t}\n\t\t\t#gallery-1 img {\n\t\t\t\tborder: 2px solid #cfcfcf;\n\t\t\t}\n\t\t\t#gallery-1 .gallery-caption {\n\t\t\t\tmargin-left: 0;\n\t\t\t}\n\t\t\t\/* see gallery_shortcode() in wp-includes\/media.php *\/\n\t\t<\/style>\n\t\t<div id='gallery-1' class='gallery galleryid-14730 gallery-columns-2 gallery-size-thumbnail'><dl class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<dt class='gallery-icon portrait'>\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"frame-outer  small attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\"><span><span><span><span><a href='http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/?attachment_id=14734'><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"101\" height=\"150\" src=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_003-101x150.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_003-101x150.jpg 101w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_003-203x300.jpg 203w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_003.jpg 678w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 101px) 100vw, 101px\" \/><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span>\n\t\t\t<\/dt><\/dl><dl class='gallery-item'>\n\t\t\t<dt class='gallery-icon landscape'>\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"frame-outer  small attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\"><span><span><span><span><a href='http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/?attachment_id=14735'><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" height=\"96\" src=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_004-150x96.jpg\" class=\"attachment-thumbnail size-thumbnail\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_004-150x96.jpg 150w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_004-300x193.jpg 300w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_004.jpg 1000w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 150px) 100vw, 150px\" \/><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span>\n\t\t\t<\/dt><\/dl><br style=\"clear: both\" \/>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\n<p>With only a 24 frame roll of film my attention turned to what I was most interested in the DA 35 ltd a fantastic lens that I had hopes would work\u00a0with the\u00a0future full frame camera.\u00a0\u00a0At f9.5 you can see there is no issue the lens easily covers the larger\u00a0surface area without any vignetting.<br \/>\n<span class=\"frame-outer  alignnone size-full wp-image-14737\"><span><span><span><span><a href=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_023.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-14737\" alt=\"PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_023\" src=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_023.jpg\" width=\"415\" height=\"273\" srcset=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_023.jpg 1000w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_023-150x98.jpg 150w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_023-300x197.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>Moving to f5.6 with the following images it can be seen that the lens works fine at this opening too.<br \/>\n<span class=\"frame-outer  alignnone size-full wp-image-14738\"><span><span><span><span><a href=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_007.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-14738\" alt=\"PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_007\" src=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_007.jpg\" width=\"415\" height=\"624\" srcset=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_007.jpg 665w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_007-99x150.jpg 99w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_007-199x300.jpg 199w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 665px) 100vw, 665px\" \/><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span> <span class=\"frame-outer  alignnone size-full wp-image-14739\"><span><span><span><span><a href=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_011.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-14739\" alt=\"PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_011\" src=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_011.jpg\" width=\"415\" height=\"612\" srcset=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_011.jpg 678w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_011-101x150.jpg 101w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_011-203x300.jpg 203w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 678px) 100vw, 678px\" \/><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span> <span class=\"frame-outer  alignnone size-full wp-image-14740\"><span><span><span><span><a href=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_020.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-14740\" alt=\"PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_020\" src=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_020.jpg\" width=\"415\" height=\"618\" srcset=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_020.jpg 671w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_020-100x150.jpg 100w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_020-201x300.jpg 201w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 671px) 100vw, 671px\" \/><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span> <span class=\"frame-outer  alignnone size-full wp-image-14741\"><span><span><span><span><a href=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_021.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-14741\" alt=\"PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_021\" src=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_021.jpg\" width=\"415\" height=\"284\" srcset=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_021.jpg 1000w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_021-150x102.jpg 150w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_021-300x205.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>So for the ultimate test I took some shots with the lens wide open which in this case is f2.8<br \/>\n<span class=\"frame-outer  alignnone size-full wp-image-14745\"><span><span><span><span><a href=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_008.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-14745\" alt=\"PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_008\" src=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_008.jpg\" width=\"415\" height=\"278\" srcset=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_008.jpg 1000w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_008-150x100.jpg 150w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_008-300x201.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span> <span class=\"frame-outer  alignnone size-full wp-image-14746\"><span><span><span><span><a href=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_010.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-14746\" alt=\"PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_010\" src=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_010.jpg\" width=\"415\" height=\"283\" srcset=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_010.jpg 1000w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_010-150x102.jpg 150w, http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/03\/PentaxMZ6_LensTest_Mar2015_010-300x204.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>The DA 35 ltd worked so well with my 35mm film SLR that I will have no hesitation using it again for film or with a future &#8216;Full Frame&#8217; DSLR.\u00a0 I had seen elsewhere on the internet that it didn&#8217;t work for 35mm film but that certainly contradicts my finding.\u00a0 What\u00a0vignetting\u00a0exists I do not find at all objectionable and if\u00a0you choose to\u00a0it\u00a0could be easily counter acted in software.\u00a0The one caveat being that using the built in lens shade at full extension would certainly end up darkening the corners as its effect is even visible in the Pentax MZ-6 92% coverage\u00a0viewfinder.<\/p>\n<p>Similar things can be seen here <a href=\"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/?p=12073\">DA 40 XS on film<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>With Pentax announcing that they will be releasing their DSLR with the same size sensor as 35mm film (know now as &#8216;Full Frame&#8217;) I wanted to try a test with some lenses designed for a\u00a0APS-c digital image circle. Pentax refers to these as &#8216;DA&#8217; lenses.\u00a0 There are some lenses that are designed for use with [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[36,6],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-14730","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-cameras","category-photography"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14730"}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=14730"}],"version-history":[{"count":20,"href":"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14730\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":14971,"href":"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/14730\/revisions\/14971"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=14730"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=14730"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/wkoopmans.ca\/notebook\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=14730"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}